D-STAR on ISS? Hopefully not until fully open

ISS Amateur Radio

Today I was checking out the New York City's metropolitan area repeater frequencies when I noticed that a few D-STAR repeaters are already active.
Since I never really spent a single minute to find out what this new mode was all about I decided it was time to learn something new and eventually buy a new D-STAR radio.

According to Wikipedia, D-STAR is "a digital voice and data protocol specification developed as the result of research by the Japan Amateur Radio League to investigate digital technologies for amateur radio. While there are other digital on-air technologies being used by amateurs that have come from other services, D-Star is one of the first on-air standards to be widely deployed and sold by a major radio manufacturer that is designed specifically for amateur service use"

It looked interesting already but when I found that Miles Mann WF1F is proposing the adoption of the D-STAR based ICOM ID800 onboard the ISS I was almost convinced that it was time for me to buy one of these.
Unfortunately, my enthusiasm cooled down when I read about some of the criticism that is raising around it.

In facts, always on Wikipedia, you can read: "D-STAR has been criticized for its use of a patented, closed-source proprietary voice codec (AMBE). Hams do not have access to the detailed specification of this codec or the rights to implement it on their own without buying a licensed product. Hams have a long tradition of building, improving upon and experimenting with their own radio designs. The modern digital age equivalent of this would be designing and/or implementing codecs in software. Critics say the proprietary nature of AMBE and its availability only in hardware form (as ICs) discourages innovation. Even critics praise the openness of the rest of the D-STAR standard which can be implemented freely."

In other words Amateur Radio operators will only be able to use D-STAR without having the possibility of fully understanding how it works.
I suggest you to read the Bruce Perens K6BP proposal. After reading it you will realize that the technical and legal implications of D-STAR are really scary for the Amateur Radio world and for AMSAT in particular. So scary that Rick Hambly, AMSAT's president, asked Bruce Perens to continue to work on this problem after hearing his keynote speech at the TAPR/ARRL Digital Communications Conference.

If you are familiar with this site you probably already have read about the issfanclub.com campaign to renew the ISS station.
The objections I hear the most are based upon the lack of funds, the lack of launch opportunities, the lack of interest from the crew (they have a telephone now!), the cost of the ground equipment.

Now, the fact that somebody else is actually proposing an upgrade demonstrates in the first place that an upgrade is really necessary, and in the second place that all the other objections are not valid because the solution I propose requires no hardware (besides a PC!), opens new capabilites for the crew and costs virtually nothing to the ground stations.
If the other gets approved, mine could get approved too.

Who is going to afford the expensive process (tens of thousands of dollars) necessary to send a new radio to space? Definitely not AMSAT nor ARISS. My guess is that the bill will be paid by the very same companies that produce and sell D-STAR. There is nothing wrong with that (it's actually good that some companies still care about amateur radio), but what is the price that we as a community are going to pay in return?

I am not referring to the price of the AMBE boards that we will be forced to buy in order to communicate with the ISS. I refer to a bigger one: the price of freedom.
Do we really want to trade our basic freedom to use, understand and improve our technology for a new transceiver?
I believe we don't, and that is why issfanclub.com will be against D-STAR onboard the ISS until it will eventually become a fully open standard for the Amateur Radio community.

alain – Sun, 2009 – 01 – 11 20:52

Digital Mode!

Hi,

Why not thinking of upgrade the digital packet mode to more interesting
and attractive mode! Like a Pacsat protocol mode.
ISS has a more room than 25cm cubic LEO satellite, isn't it?

73's
Nader, st2nh
www.st2nh.com

Submitted by st2nh on Thu, 2009-01-15 19:37.

d star iss

I am a little confused by thinking of D star in space

I do have Dstar, my thought was two fold, I wanted to support a new exciting if not still bleading edge technology, hoping it might become popular and my presumption that living in a ham dense area like NYC there would be 'alot' of activity. I've had the radio for some time now, being up extreemly high typically i can hit regular repeaters for at least a 100mile radius.

there are very few dstar repeaters here and my causal observations and opinions are there is practically no activity other areas do have more thou

My observation of how this digital mode compares with it's non digital is very striking, as one would expect the digital dosn't really like it when the signal get to be less than perfect this is not an unusual charastic of many digital modes(but not all)

the other thing that would confuse me is i am not aware of any Dstar rigs specifically made for satellite communications sure i guess you can do it but it's not elegant my particular dstar rig won't allow full doppler during tx for ex

as far as experimenting with it I love the rig and don't blame dstar for lack of activity in the area per say but I suspect the high cost of the rig, the few people on it, hey there isn't even the same ammount of plan old repeater activity compared to say few yrs ago and the fact that if your working someone that has a somewhat diminised signal the digital will conk out whereas a plan ol' analog/FM signal will be perfectly readable during say a little fried eggs

How would I work a space borne dstar? I'd have to manually program 'doppler pre corrected' channels ok in a pinch not long term

Unless this means Icom is going to (finally) upgrade the 910h or come out with a fantastic new uhf/vhf satalite dream rig w/dstar
who knows it's close to dayton time i'd like to see them have a 50mhz to at least 2gig rig as a min satellite i love the idea of adding some new equipment up there and to experiment with some new modes i do believe digital is a ultimate future dunno if it's 'right now' but i am open minded to being convienced hey i have a dstar rig even a apco 25rig too

n2ehg

Myles N2EHG

Submitted by photo2000a on Wed, 2009-01-14 19:21.

D-Star

I'm fully with you on this Alain.

D-Star does seem to be an interesting mode, with many interesting possibilities, but I think it is totally wrong that there has to be a piece of licensed proprietary kit at the center of it's operation, this goes totally against the spirit of amateur radio.

If we can't have access to , or modify our 'toys' then we might as well sell our radios, forget our hobby and just make contact via the internet or mobile phone.

I'm personally very happy as it is with the kit available on ISS, the packet and x-band operations make it possible for a large amount of amateurs to use who would be excluded if we went for more exotic modes up there.

Matty

Submitted by manxmat on Tue, 2009-01-13 17:43.

Your right Matty

D-Star created by I-Com is like Windows created by Microsoft, sooner or later your going to by me and I'm going to get rich off of of you the Amateur Radio Operators, young and old, newbie's and Experienced. Some people starting out don't have the Finances and some of the older experienced older hams are on a fixed income and can't afford to upgrade equipment because one company wants a monopoly to cash in on.Your right Matty, this does go totally against the spirit of amateur radio.

KJ4FGI

Davenport, Florida

Submitted by KJ4FGI on Sun, 2009-01-18 12:46.

Totally agree

Totally agree with OM Davenport & OM Matty
D-Star is like a cipher to any Ham how can't afford the hardware.
For me, I enjoy to hear the QRM and QRN as well as to hear the QSO
Crystal clear audio!!! We have cell phone already!

st2nh
Nader
www.st2nh.com

Submitted by st2nh on Mon, 2009-01-19 13:48.

Re: D-Star

Hello all,

I do not have D-Star equipment yet but I saw a D-Star presentation
in Holland for a while agoo.
D-Star is more effective in weak signal communications compared
to analog FM/N voice mode.
It is a pitty it is technical is not an open protocol and commercial.

73's Cor PD0RKC

Submitted by pd0rkc on Wed, 2009-01-14 10:40.

Open D-Star

...fully agree with you!

D-Star is the GSM phone in the Space.

73, Francesco - IK0WGF

Submitted by ik0wgf on Tue, 2009-01-13 03:53.
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