Is it possible, that global heavy weather is being influenced by ISS and supportive Space Flights ?

klasse35 – October 9, 2007 – 18:02

klasse35 – October 10, 2007 – 00:18
At the European Meteorological Meeting"Sur La Physique des Nuages" in Clermont-Ferrand way back
in 1980 a NASA-Deputee gave a talk on (1981) upcoming shuttle start. (publ. as WO-PHYS-1980)
He named as Propellant some Ammonia-preparation /Ammonium-Perchlorate, NH4-Cl-O5/
in Combination with Aluminium-Oxyde as Oxygen-Donator and the Metal Al as Katalyst /Al2-O3/
and as Burning Protractor PCB/ a longtime persistant chlorinated organic substance).
Mr.Hindman jr. gave to know, that after start within 73 seconds this Explosive, here used “tamed” as
Solid-Rocket-Propellant, would be left per gram burnt within the lower and upper atmosphere
the respectable amount of 6.28 x 10^10 CCN (or Cloud-Condensing Nuclei). These would come
down as acid-forming particles, dilute in cloud-water and would alter the chemistry of the clouds.
As the main object of the meeting was 'how to produce rain', he gave these figures frankly, then.
- Similar Information was given by Putkamer in his articles and later in his book on Space-Flight.
The tragic loss of the 25th Shuttle-Start within the first 70 sec after start on 28.01.1986 gave the
proof:
The Southern Jet-Stream transported the Fumes and atomized ashes of much of the entire object
above the Start-Pad within 24 hours over the Atlantic. Here it caused a significant Snow-Catastrophy
from Algiers and Southern Spain all over the Mediterranean up to Lebanon and Israel, partly 2-3 feet
deep snow like in those areas never seen before.(The connection stayed unnoticed, due to grief and
shock, understandable and profitabel).
Now recently some of such Material (not 10 tons, only 750 kg) had been sent in a big Freeze-Box
like Container tumbling down to earth (EAS, Early Ammonia-Servicer).Well considerated to secure
the possibly endangered Crew and the expensive ISS on orbit, this hazardous freight was disposed (23.07.07)
to go down somewhere over Sahel-Africa, perhaps to cause some rain (and risk some floods)?
Or elsewhere in the monsoon-region, where anyway rain comes down pouring these days and weeks.
In a region -where 70-80 % of the World-Population live- if something like this happens, would nobody
suspect, that this might be part of a 'Monsoon-Experiment' ?
And at some Meteorological Meeting I have heard, seen and read of 'Monsoon-Experiments' going on.
Perhaps to see how intense Monsoons-variations can be used to stimulate local food-production ?
Or the Gross National Products of the Tiger-States ?
Or how much UNO could do alone without the usually intensive Help and Support of the European
and US-States with GMO-Food, known anyway as "good for Emergency Use Only"?
And a 2 or 4-weeks’ Waste-Container Disposal (650 kg load in a once-use Russian 950 kg AVT-Metal-Box)?
and a weekly 1-2x Water-Dump of Refrigerated Sweat-Water (850 kg) cannot do any harm either ?
If Water comes down as icy-crystals, delighting some areas slightly, just enough to alter the upper
cloud-temperature, and still there can't be any katalytic trigger-functions ?
Triggers like dissolving some of those highly ionized free-radical gases of N-, Ozone-, Hydrogen-,²D + ³T
Isotopes, which there cause any metal falling through to burst up and be burnt (+ the ashes causing rain) ?
And the Rains so triggered to fall out of the clouds like tilted out of lake-sized buckets – these torrential
rains- are they intended as fertilizing ? Or sales-turn-over inducing ?
They actually are erosive-destructive to any cultural achievements of large areas, where the work-toil
of many generations carrying stones up steep hills to fortify the small and precious humus-lots, may
be washed down in minutes.
And many Millions -so said an UNO Representative- are sent wandering as homeless in poor countries
with sensitive and brittle infrastructure. What a great peaceful achievment !?
The Knowledge-Accumulation by flying and taking thrilling Pix from above is certainly a special gusto,
something of the quality esteemed by Nero 2000 years back when igniting Rome and making songs of
it. So the well-off guests on the Play-Mobile Platform aloft must feel and be esteemed, when they can
admire the anthropogene Creation of suddenly arising "Towers in the Tempest".
But the Collateral Damages ?
Who pays the gains on the side of areas which appear to be spared ?
Wasn't the Early Ammonia Servicer intended to help the tumbling MIR come down faster, in case it
would threaten to fall down on some specially protected privileged grounds ?
So, esteemed Round of ISS-Fans, nobody seemed to read or understand my note of 23.09.07.
It was tagged red and deleted in time ? And there is no more problem by sending some virus-loads ?
But have you also sensors or senses for damages caused or is this all OK ?
And has to go on and further for another 20 Years ? Only technical Admiration ?
We have seen the same "Quality of Dedication and Functional Morals without Ethics" before long at
different places of the World. And many say already: enough is enough.

Re: Is it possible, that global heavy weather is being influence

alain – October 12, 2007 – 04:49

Dear klasse35,

first of all I don't really understand what your post is all about. I understood that something dropped from ISS might have caused nasty effects on Earth. It' an interesting topic and I will search about it.
Next time, please, post a brief introduction to your topic with a link to a page posted somewhere else that explains in greater details. Also consider that you are completely off topic since writing on the "Observing ISS" forum. Use the generic forum next time.

We are just people who like space exploration and technologies. Kenneth is right when he says you're talking to the wrong audience. If you want to ask your questions directly to the astronauts we can help you obtaining your licence and radio station, but beside that I am afraid you are wasting your time here. Noone probalby understands what you are talking about...

By the way, this is the thing that interests me most:

klasse35 wrote:

klasse35 – October 10, 2007 – 00:18
So, esteemed Round of ISS-Fans, nobody seemed to read or understand my note of 23.09.07.
It was tagged red and deleted in time ? And there is no more problem by sending some virus-loads ?

Where did you post exactly? Here on the forum? Or maybe a voice alert?

Alain

Remote-Sensing Impulses without Side-Effects ?

klasse35 – October 19, 2007 – 03:20

Alain,
did you follow up the interesting subject or aren't there just no records on that subject available ?
There are certainly more interesting Research-Projects, and even interesting for Techno-Freaks:
f.i. estimating by hourly fly-by-IR- and MW-sensing the thickness of arctic ice,
while nuclear U-Boats are exploringly clearing up the ground underneath the Big Icy Polecap
and cooling their nuclear pressure-cooker-pot with the water taken from the surrounding water ?
Sure, there is a huge nuclear dumping place off the Russian coast next to the Pole-cap adding to this.
Where -by the way- is the US-Submarine-dumping-place ??
Many might know, that there are different Hydro-Isotopes reacting to MW,IR & NMR impulses differently.
The impuls may be small, but no living body - f.i.hatching-fish- would long enjoy being screened hourly
for any time or even years.
Physical Experts- employed by the firms involved in Exploraion etc- probably wouldn't anticipate any
effects at all, yet even the Military had to accept and respond adequately to claims of their staff,
that daily several times having been scanned f.i. by a radar beam on post
indeed does have ill-effects on health.
And transmitting messenges by such focussed shielded bowels into mountainous areas where people
are living next to the Masts and even uphill behind the top-receivers:
no claims - no damages caused ?
Biologists more than a Generation ago had warned,
that MW and NMR-Impulses are not insignificant to the growing tips of plants.
Both in roots as well as in apical and intercalate Meristemata
(= buds for further growth and leaves and fruit-bearing parts and fertile seeds)
damages can be shown -if asked to look for- resonance induced ill-effects.
And the only damaging mechanism would be the short-time induced
"Scrambling of the Hydrogens".
This as caused by short-time impulses, allowed then
-by earlier settling of the Heavy Isotopes ²D & ³T- however seldom initially,
a relative enrichment of the heavy Hydrogens exchanging into organic bonding,
"into stable positions" on Proteins or DNA.
And the Polar-Ice-caps ?
Remote-sensing and slightly warming up undercooled water
by undeclared (as Military) thermal releases of Polar-Nuclear U-Boats
together with the altered Hydro-Isotopes in such undeclared effluents
as cause for new Phenomenal Porosity of Ice-Bergs and Polar Cap ?
There are certainly points of dicussion for Amateurs and Specialists in Your esteemed Audience of
Techno-Freaks and Fans observing the Sky-Labs.
So please let me know what you found and under which heading you searched.
Thankyou

EAS-jettonized : no hazard in News? - Ok - go-on ?

klasse35 – October 12, 2007 – 17:08

Thankyou
Alain for responding with arguments to be considered next time.
"ISS-Observing" ok, that's what I am doing and had been doing so for weeks,
before I decided to write.
You said, the topic is interesting and you'd be helpful searching.
As I'm observing ISS I had inquired about the position (long./lat.)or area over which
the jettonizing was done, but the 5 hr. space-work means 3 1/2 orbits, and if no track
is offered, no tracing is possible.
But it is necessary and honest to stay to facts esp.if the points are problematic.
Points raised by Hindman-jr.of NASA (on Wo-Phys Meeting in Cl.Ferrand Apr.1980)
my observations after 12.4.1981, 28.1.1986, the info on MIR & EAS-delivery 2001-
and the fears of causing an explosion on ISS,
if some docking manoeuvre or a penetrating meteorite would come with an unexpected
impact or so. No Question, there are problems coming up, no flicker.
There must have been somewhere in the "Protective Layer" of the Troposphere....
which is highly sensitive to variations of pH-,salt-solutes, variation of Hydro-Isotopes,
Low-Level-Radioactivity and Ionization by flying metallic objects
(with thermogen explosive hydrogen-expulsion)....
a significant explosion, equivalent to 1 Ton of TNT on 23/24th Juli 2007
with a several minutes long burning flash, which certainly must have been picked up by any
of the (how many are up there ?) military say observer Satellites which have the function
to note friendly or other firings.... So please let me know further details.
Thrash like wastes and hazardous & toxic burnup-matter as torrential rainfall causing admixtures
are certainly triggers for interesting questions.
Or is this all oK ! and go on only with Fan's interests as usual. And CO2 only.
I do understand, that amateur radio has had great life-saving results and certainly is a useful
hobby (which I had shared long time back),
but perhaps here still is a forum to ask for observations like mentioned above on 23/24 of Juli 2007 ?
Please let me know following up this thread.
By the way, the initial note was this:

ISS-fans focussed on communicative technique only?

klasse35 – October 11, 2007 – 11:24

Kenneth,
So, you advise that a Fan-Website has no space for reflexions on side-effects of their idol ?
Are you aware that the Idols' associated Researchers feel that they are used only to measure raindrops
per ground-squares x time without receiving instruction on who initiates and where and why such
Monsoon-Experiments are to be expected ? And Damages done, it's all nothing, don't even mention it ?
One might get the impression that the Russian-Space-Labs' Responsibles have been much more
informative before their MIR came tumbling down in 2001, considering even Compensation in case
of lives lost ore severe property damages incurred.
But such widespread Experiments and weekly Dumps & Disposals with Torrents and Hurricanes and
Mudslides and Inundations in sequence since 8 years increasing have to be booked on famous old
CO2-facts only ?
More Water- and Matter into the Mesosphere (where less than kg used to be found) and wonder why
there is global alteration in energy-dissipation alltogether ?

FANS and reality

klasse35 – October 9, 2007 – 23:48

It was put on "open a new topic-Forum".
What about developing new Danger-sensitivity-Sensors ?
klasse35

Do they imploy amateur radio

N5VHO – October 10, 2007 – 02:05

Actually, it was posted in the following arena:
Home » forums » Observing ISS

Do these new Danger-sensitivity-Sensors imploy amateur radio technology?

Think of it this way...posting a story about diseases in beef to a website that's main interest is focused on mammoth archeology is not going to gain much interst. The same can be said of your topic which has been posted to an amateur radio site.

Kenneth - N5VHO
http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/station/reference/radio/
http://www.clarc.org/jprod/component/option,com_weblinks/catid,14/Itemid,23/

Wrong Audience

N5VHO – October 9, 2007 – 18:56

Could be your topic feel on deaf ears as the intent of this site is to support and encourage amateur radio operations with and via the ISS. I don't see much related to that topic in your discussion.

Kenneth - N5VHO
http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/station/reference/radio/
http://www.clarc.org/jprod/component/option,com_weblinks/catid,14/Itemid,23/

Wrong Audience

N2NRJ – October 11, 2007 – 23:43

Amen Kenneth. See you all on the birds :)
Gary